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A Separate Peace: Frage (beantwortet)
Status: (Frage) beantwortet Status 
Datum: 18:34 Mo 24.10.2005
Autor: Timo17

Hi,

kennt jemand das Theaterstück "A separate peace" von Stoppard?

Bin nämlich auf der Suche nach der Antwort für die Frage:What is the contrast of Mr.Brown's character?

Wäre nett wenn mir jemand weiterhelfen kann.

MfG Timo

        
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A Separate Peace: Tom Stoppard : Genial...
Status: (Antwort) fertig Status 
Datum: 22:10 Mo 24.10.2005
Autor: Oscar

A Separate Peace

'You mean it wouldn't be good  for you. How do you know what's good for me?' (p.23.)


Hello Timo17,

Ich habe deine eigene Wörte « (…) A separate Peace + Stoppard (…) » in Google getippt und habe für Dich 21’100 Verbindungen gewonnen.


Bitte, sage mir mal ob Du hier und in die GoogleVerbindungen Antwort(e) gefunden hast...

Viele Danken im voraus, BITTE , nachher NICHT vergessen: dass hilft mich und die andere (Ist mein System ja gut, was und wie kann es verbessern ? Nur oder vorallem die Ben ützer können mich helfen )

Hierunter
    (siehe Erste Unterstocke !)
die erste 10 davon, als APERO...

"als Apero", denn ich hoffe dass die "10" dich aufwärmen und "aufmächtigen" (?) bis zum Entschluss
dich in das Entdecken los zu springen ? !
                X X X X X X X X X X X X
Dann habe ich
«  A separate Peace + Tom Stoppard in Google eingetippt und … 19’200 Verbindungen für Dich bekommen …

und auch hinunter, als « ANREIZ »,
eine der mich sehr interessiert hat

     ------->>>           Tom Stoppard : In Search of Reality, by Ian Mackean

      ( siehe zweite Unterstocke )

GrüssGot
Oscar

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Amazon.com: Tom Stoppard: Plays 3 : A Separate Peace, Teeth ... - [ Traduire cette page ]
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A Separate Peace. a television play by Tom Stoppard ... A Separate Peace was
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Ground, Professional Foul, Squaring the Circle günstig & billig ...
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Tom  Stoppard. In Search of Reality

The  evolution of ideas in the early work (1960 -1974) of Tom  Stoppard

by Ian Mackean

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Tom Stoppard 1937 -
Introduction
Part I. Early minor works
Part 2. First major works
Works discussed
Bibliography

Michael Horden as  George
in the National Theatre production
of Jumpers 1972

Introduction
Tom Stoppard  has produced a large and varied body of work, amounting  to over twenty plays for radio, television and the stage,  a novel, and adaptations of other writers' work. He is  best known for three major stage plays, Rosencrantz  and Guildenstern are Dead, Jumpers and Travesties. Most of his plays are  extremely funny, and extremely clever, both in  construction and dialogue. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead and Jumpers  particularly entertain us with an intricate juggling of  philosophical concepts combined with Stoppard's  particular brand of humour. It is easy to be dazzled by  the 'pyrotechnics' of his wit and this is, no doubt, why  his plays are so popular. But combined with the  cleverness is a seriousness and moral concern often  overlooked by critics and easy for an audience to miss.

Stoppard is not the first playwright to mix seriousness  with humour of course, but whereas, for example, a  Shakespeare tragedy may have brief comic interludes, in  Stoppard's plays the humour and seriousness co-exist as  intertwined strands. Shakespeare's comic interludes serve  to heighten the tragic climaxes and the tragic setting  heightens the impact of the comedy, but in Stoppard's  work the comic and the serious are so close that they  tend to compromise one another. Stoppard himself said: 'Is  my seriousness compromised by my frivolity? . . . Or my  frivolity redeemed by my seriousness?' The serious  thought is often hidden behind, or within, the comedy and  one has to see or read a play several times before seeing  through the wit and ingenuity to the moral, social, and  philosophical concerns lying below.

Stoppard’s themes are generally of an  intellectual, philosophical nature; his plays, while  having dramatic merit, are also vehicles for the exploration of such themes as the relationship between  chaos and order, or free will and determinism.

This essay is concerned with the  development of these philosophical themes, and with the  way Stoppard uses the medium, be it radio, TV, or stage,  to give dramatic expression to his ideas. I have dealt  with the plays in chronological order to show how the  ideas developed over the period. In Part I, I examine his  minor works, written originally for radio and television,  between 1960 and 1967. In Part 2, I examine his first  three major stage plays between 1966 and 1974. I hope to  show that the relatively simple themes explored in the  early minor works are continued in the major works on a  more complex, more sophisticated level.


Part I. Early Minor Works
Introduction
Part I. Early minor works
Part 2. First major works
Works discussed
Bibliography

Stoppard's first two plays, A Separate Peace (TV 1960) and A Walk on the Water (TV, 1963, adapted for the stage as Enter a Free Man in 1968) are concerned with the problem of the individual as a 'private' being, having to exist in a society which does not agree with him. John Brown of A Separate Peace and George Riley of Enter a Free Man are different from ordinary people; neither wants to participate in the conventional routines of life, and both see themselves as fundamentally opposed to the rest of society. George Riley is the prototype Stoppardian 'hero', and John Brown is an embryonic George Riley.

A Separate Peace, although a simple play, embodies most of Stoppard's central themes in embryonic form. John Brown has his own ideas about life, and is determined to live by his own philosophy in defiance of everyone around him. The tension of the play arises from the conflict of attitudes between the 'hero' and his society. John Brown wants to spend time in a private hospital, The Beechwood Nursing Home, because he wants the privacy and the routine.

I came for the quiet and the  routine. I came for the white calm, meals on trays and quiet  efficiency, time passing and bringing nothing. (p.10.)

We learn that his need dates back to his war-time experiences, and the issue is seen in terms of an opposition between chaos and order, a recurring theme in Stoppard's work. Brown enjoyed the orderly life being a prisoner as an escape from the chaos of war.

Up to then it was all terrible.  Chaos . . . The queue on the beach - dive bombers and bullets  ... The camp was like breathing out for the first time in  months ... The war was still going on but I wasn't going to  it any more. They gave us food, life was regulated. (p.19.)

Now he wants to escape the chaos of everyday life into the order of hospital. While in hospital Brown paints a mural on the wall; this is the first indication of another of Stoppard's preoccupations, the status of the artist in society. A recurring point of view, which Stoppard states and tests is that which sees the artist as opting out of conventional reality and creating a reality of his own.

Brown: I'll need a lot of blue.  It's going to be summer in here

Maggie: It's summer outside  Isn't that good enough for you

Brown: I couldn't stay out  there. You don't get the benefits. (p.14.)

This attitude raises conflicts within the artist himself, and for the artist in relation to the rest of society. For the artist the opting out brings about feelings of guilt, from which John Brown is trying to escape.

The point is not breakfast in  bed, but breakfast in bed without guilt. Rich men's wives can  bring it off, but if you're not a rich man's wife then you've  got to be ill. (p.6.)

He is also trying to escape his family connections, and, in fact, wants no social interaction at all.

I want to do nothing and have  nothing expected of me. That isn't possible out there. It  worries them. (p.8.)

The hospital staff are against him. Brown is attacking a convention, that a hospital is for people who are ill, and the hospital staff need to fight off this challenge to one of their basic assumptions. But also, in a wider context, they feel that what Brown is doing has something fundamentally wrong about it.

Matron: You mustn't lose  interest in life.

Brown: I was never very  interested in the first place. (p.11.)

Doctor: It's not enough, Mr.  Brown. You've got to – connect. (p.22.)

He is, of course, trying to escape the reality of society to live in a private world. He is even aware of this himself.

Brown: [a hospital is] not  affected by anything outside. You need never know anything,  it doesn't touch you.

Maggie: That's not true,  Brownie.

Brown: I know it's not.

Maggie: Then you shouldn't try  and make it true.

Brown: I know I shouldn't. (p.16.)

But although he 'shouldn’t’, he feels a need to escape, at least temporarily, and feels he has a right, as an autonomous individual, to follow his inclinations. Thus the question is raised as to whether Brown is right to act as a free and independent being, or whether his failure to 'connect' with society is a failing for which one must condemn him. Characteristically of Stoppard the opposition is set up, debated, and left inconclusively. We are left to decide for ourselves whether Brown's argument:

'You mean it wouldn't be good  for you. How do you know what's good for me?' (p.23.)

is enough to justify his actions.



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A Separate Peace: Frage (beantwortet)
Status: (Frage) beantwortet Status 
Datum: 13:29 Mi 26.10.2005
Autor: Timo17

Hi,

sicherlich habe ich mich auch schon über google.de versucht und auch ziemlich viele Links dazu gefunden,aber eben nur mehr allgemeine Informationen zu diesem Theaterstück.Ich suche ja Informationen über den Kontrast im Charakter von Mr.Brown.

Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen?

MfG Timo

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A Separate Peace: Doppelpost und Tipp
Status: (Antwort) fertig Status 
Datum: 12:41 Fr 28.10.2005
Autor: Youri

Lieber Timo!

Eines vorweg:
Schön wäre, wenn Du bei Doppelpostings uns den Link zu den anderen Foren schicken könntest, damit Hilfsbereite nicht nachhaltig abgeschreckt werden.

[]Englisch-Forum

Leider hat Dir da auch noch keiner geantwortet -
ich hab noch ein bisschen gegooglet...und hab eine schöne Seite eines Englisch-Leistungskurses aus Berlin gefunden; Dorothea schreibt unter dem Link []Why don't you find peace from society

Tom Stoppard wonders why society always wants you to do something

The play "A Separate Peace" was written by Tom Stoppard and televised in 1966. The protagonist of this play is a man called Mr John Brown, who is in his late forties. The reader gets the impression as if Stoppard’s play combines a serious topic with comedy. And indeed, we, the audience, have to laugh quite a lot. If we want to understand Mr Brown’s feelings, thoughts and reactions we have to look at his whole personality. And for that we have to investigate his speeches, because the reader is only able to learn from what he says as there is no narrator in the whole play.

The reason why Mr Brown came to Beechwood Nursing Home is quite difficult to understand. People like us would only go to a (private) hospital if we were really ill; but Mr Brown mentions other reasons why he would like to stay there: He said that he came for the quiet and that he liked the daily clockwork routine (scene six). Mr Brown also seems to enjoy meals that are served on trays.

Another reason why he wants to stay in hospital even though he is not physically ill is that he wants time to pass by; and Mr. Brown also wishes that his present situation will last for a long time as he seems to feel quite comfortable in the present circumstances. And to a certain extend he is right. Time passes by even quicker if you are at a nice place where the atmosphere is good and the people around you, too; and this is certainly the case at the private Nursing Home here in our play.

By mentioning all the reasons why he wants to stay there, we can conclude that Mr Brown seems to be a nice, "old" man; but actually only Maggie, one of the sisters, seems to really understand him. She is very friendly and honestly interested in him, she is the only person who gets close to Mr Brown. She deeply likes him. This probably is the reason why he tells her so many of his personal experiences, like those times when he served in the army. The doctor and the matron seem to be very suspicious; they want to find out why he has a suitcase full of money with him. They do not look at him as a patient, they suspect that he is a bank robber because, in their opinion, a "normal" person would not carry around a suitcase full of bank notes and stay in hospital when there is nothing wrong.

In order to understand even more of his actions, another episode seems to be worth mentioning (scene six): The matron, the spiritual leader of the hospital, visits Mr. Brown in order to check whether everything is all right with him; and because he has not done anything yet she suggests that he should have a walk in the nice hospital garden where everything is in flower at the moment; but as Mr. Brown knows exactly what he wants, he only says: "I didn’t come here for that. I must have walked thousands of miles …". This statement shows that he is really tired of life and that there is only one reason for his strange behaviour: He just wants to withdraw, he just wants to stay in bed and he also wants to settle down. Mr Brown has served in the war and, as one can imagine, he is probably tired of moving around, having no "real" home. But this sentence also expresses that he has lost interest in life and his connection to society, that he is a loner and wants to isolate himself from society on purpose. To the reader this sort of isolation seems to be like an escape from reality.

Why does Mr Brown not want to live in a normal house, marry a nice woman and have some children? I think it is because he disrespects society as a whole. He does not want to integrate himself into the society we live in; and I imagine he probably could not even adapt himself to our way of living together with other people. In order to emphasize this aspect one could mention the fact that Mr. Brown paints his room. By drawing flowers on the walls he creates his own environment in which he seems to be content and happy, even though, in our view, he is isolated from others.

The author Tom Stoppard uses the English language in a very humorous way so that some of the scenes in the play appear to be of a very comic character. Scene six must be mentioned again: When the matron enters his room and asks Mr. Brown what he had been doing he answers in a very short and impolite way: "Nothing". And when she asks again what he wants to do, he again says: "Nothing." In this passage the reader definitely has to grin. Mr Brown is being so insistent that one really has to laugh! Imagine the head of the hospital asked what you would like to do and you answered nothing else but "nothing"!!! He actually behaves in a really rude way.

By trying to summarize the different aspects of Mr Brown’s behaviour and character one is able to get an overall picture of him. Mr Brown is a very strange person, who wants to separate himself from society, but who definitely has a good sense of humour; and this is why he is so sympathetic to me!  


Hier solltest Du eigentlich einiges zu den widersprüchlichen Verhaltensweisen und evtl. Grundlagen in "Mr. Brown's character"
finden können.

Viel Erfolg :-)

Lieben Gruß,
Andrea.


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A Separate Peace: Mitteilung
Status: (Mitteilung) Reaktion unnötig Status 
Datum: 18:19 So 30.10.2005
Autor: Timo17

Danke für deine Antwort Andrea.

Den Link für den Doppelpost hatte ich leider aus irgendwelchen Gründen vergessen,sorry.

Schönes Wochenende noch.

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A Separate Peace: Rückfrage
Status: (Frage) für Interessierte Status 
Datum: 16:20 Mo 31.10.2005
Autor: Timo17

Hi,

da ihr mir ja doch schon mit euren Tipps weiterhelft könnt ihr mir vielleicht auch hierbei helfen:

Examine the structur and its effect on reader!

Hat da evtl. jemand nen passenden Link für mich?Wäre super ;-)

MfG Timo

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A Separate Peace: Mitteilung
Status: (Mitteilung) Reaktion unnötig Status 
Datum: 07:18 Do 03.11.2005
Autor: taura

Hallo Timo!

Leider konnte dir keiner in der von dir vorgegebenen Zeit mit deinem Problem weiterhelfen.

Vielleicht hast du beim nächsten Mal mehr Glück. [kleeblatt]

Gruß taura

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